Juvederm

[Flash]

Hi, Guys - Just had juvederm plus in my "elevens". Instant gratification! Yayyy. I also had it in my left NLF to balance out the right side where the nerve is weird. I'm wondering if I need to massage it or anything? I can see a bit of a line in the NLF.
Also - she used one needle full - whadever ya' call it! LOL She split it between the brow and NLF. How many units would that be? I paid $650. Is that a lot? I know I pay more than usual for the botox. Thanks for any help.

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Flash

Hi, Guys - Just had juvederm plus in my "elevens". Instant gratification! Yayyy. I also had it in my left NLF to balance out the right side where the nerve is weird. I'm wondering if I need to massage it or anything? I can see a bit of a line in the NLF.
Also - she used one needle full - whadever ya' call it! LOL She split it between the brow and NLF. How many units would that be? I paid $650. Is that a lot? I know I pay more than usual for the botox. Thanks for any help.

NO dont message it .... Woo hooo Jack dont you LOVE it?!!!! i pay 500. but who know my lips ps might have raised the price since he went up on Botox .... Ugggg

[Bailey]

Originally Posted by Flash

Hi, Guys - Just had juvederm plus in my "elevens". Instant gratification! Yayyy. I also had it in my left NLF to balance out the right side where the nerve is weird. I'm wondering if I need to massage it or anything? I can see a bit of a line in the NLF.
Also - she used one needle full - whadever ya' call it! LOL She split it between the brow and NLF. How many units would that be? I paid $650. Is that a lot? I know I pay more than usual for the botox. Thanks for any help.

What kind of Juvederm did you get Jack?
Juvederm Ultra?
Juvederm Ultra Plus
Juvederm XC (new Juvederm with lidocaine)

Juvederm comes in a .8cc syringe. It is not measured by units - rather by syringe

If the Juvederm is injected to close to the surface of the epidermis, lumps can occur. Juvederm needs to go a little deeper so that this will not happen.

If the lump doesn't go down with massaging......then you can ask your PS if she will inject the area with Wytase.

I am sure massaging will get this down hon. It might take some time.

Right now.......there are huge deals on Juvederm because of the introduction of the new Juvederm XC. I can get one syringe of Juvederm Ultra Plus in California for $399.00

And some places are offering other deals too.



****Granulomas from Juvederm are very rare. Sometimes a "granuloma" can be mistaken from too much residual Juvederm. It is advised by most physicians to first treat as a build up of too much Juvederm with "Wytase" or hyaluronidase to help dissolve the filler first before going for injections of Kenalog. Injections of Kenalog have a tendency causing an atrophy effect in the surrounding tissue, so it is very important to make sure it is indeed a granuloma first.

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Flash

Hi, Guys - Just had juvederm plus in my "elevens". Instant gratification! Yayyy. I also had it in my left NLF to balance out the right side where the nerve is weird. I'm wondering if I need to massage it or anything? I can see a bit of a line in the NLF.
Also - she used one needle full - whadever ya' call it! LOL She split it between the brow and NLF. How many units would that be? I paid $650. Is that a lot? I know I pay more than usual for the botox. Thanks for any help.

Hey Jack.. I thought she was going to give you a break on the price? or did i read wrong?

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Bailey

What kind of Juvederm did you get Jack?
Juvederm Ultra?
Juvederm Ultra Plus
Juvederm XC (new Juvederm with lidocaine)

Juvederm comes in a .8cc syringe. It is not measured by units - rather by syringe

If the Juvederm is injected to close to the surface of the epidermis, lumps can occur. Juvederm needs to go a little deeper so that this will not happen.

If the lump doesn't go down with massaging......then you can ask your PS if she will inject the area with Wytase.

I am sure massaging will get this down hon. It might take some time.

Right now.......there are huge deals on Juvederm because of the introduction of the new Juvederm XC. I can get one syringe of Juvederm Ultra Plus in California for $399.00

And some places are offering other deals too.



****Granulomas from Juvederm are very rare. Sometimes a "granuloma" can be mistaken from too much residual Juvederm. It is advised by most physicians to first treat as a build up of too much Juvederm with "Wytase" or hyaluronidase to help dissolve the filler first before going for injections of Kenalog. Injections of Kenalog have a tendency causing an atrophy effect in the surrounding tissue, so it is very important to make sure it is indeed a granuloma first.

Im glad you said this cuz i thought once its done and the ps messages it you werent suppose to .. good to know cuz i have had places before i got a tiny lump that i could see but only if i stretched my mouth open ... on my NLF ...

[Flash]

Thanks, Bailey and Vikki, for answering me so fast! Yes - I got one syringe. It is Juvederm Ultra. I don't have a lump - just a line - I remember having it the last time for awhile - just couldn't remember if I was to massage that.
When I figured out the cost of the first round of botox, I think it came to @ $16.50 a unit - way more than what I hear so many of you guys pay. I knew the juvederm was costly - I hadn't asked beforehand and don't remember from last time. Sounds like my PS is on the way high side, for sure! We have lots of places here that do it, but I'm afraid to go to someplace that I don't know, KWIM? At least this should last quite some time - 6 months to a year - last time it lasted almost a year. Also - I paid for 6 treatments for lazer hair removal and I'm still going more than double that (stubborn hair - stubborn tech who wants to eradicate every last hair! LOL) for no added cost. So I guess I can justify the overpriced juvi - huh? I'm gonna' be looking more closely at the competitor's ads, now - that's for sure. Again - thank you!

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Flash

Thanks, Bailey and Vikki, for answering me so fast! Yes - I got one syringe. It is Juvederm Ultra. I don't have a lump - just a line - I remember having it the last time for awhile - just couldn't remember if I was to massage that.
When I figured out the cost of the first round of botox, I think it came to @ $16.50 a unit - way more than what I hear so many of you guys pay. I knew the juvederm was costly - I hadn't asked beforehand and don't remember from last time. Sounds like my PS is on the way high side, for sure! We have lots of places here that do it, but I'm afraid to go to someplace that I don't know, KWIM? At least this should last quite some time - 6 months to a year - last time it lasted almost a year. Also - I paid for 6 treatments for lazer hair removal and I'm still going more than double that (stubborn hair - stubborn tech who wants to eradicate every last hair! LOL) for no added cost. So I guess I can justify the overpriced juvi - huh? I'm gonna' be looking more closely at the competitor's ads, now - that's for sure. Again - thank you!

I do think she is on the Very high end....the no extra cost is good for the L H Removal tho... Jack there are alot of places that can inject id call around and ask ... there are girls here from where your at right ? I dont know maybe its just me but all the $$ youve spent with her ..she should give you a better price on the juvey and Botox...

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Vikki~

I do think she is on the Very high end....the no extra cost is good for the L H Removal tho... Jack there are alot of places that can inject id call around and ask ... there are girls here from where your at right ? I dont know maybe its just me but all the $$ youve spent with her ..she should give you a better price on the juvey and Botox...

Oh believe me, I know! I was a little shocked when the cashier told me $650. The 12 and a half of Botox was $200, also too high. When it didn't work, at least she did it again for free. (still didn't work). I knew I'd have to pay for the juvederm - but didn't know how much and expected a reduced price because the botox didn't work the second time, either. I know that's not really her fault, but, like you said - I do a lot of business with her and have sent a few new patients, as well. I'm not even telling hubby that the price is way too high.
The closest person to me is Colleen - and she is an hour away - and in a rural area. There are PLENTY of places here - and I'm going to call around next time and bring their prices to my PS. I love her - but I'm a bit shocked by the price. I so appreciate the information from you and Bailey - it gives me pause.

[Bailey]

Originally Posted by Flash

Thanks, Bailey and Vikki, for answering me so fast! Yes - I got one syringe. It is Juvederm Ultra. I don't have a lump - just a line - I remember having it the last time for awhile - just couldn't remember if I was to massage that.
When I figured out the cost of the first round of botox, I think it came to @ $16.50 a unit - way more than what I hear so many of you guys pay. I knew the juvederm was costly - I hadn't asked beforehand and don't remember from last time. Sounds like my PS is on the way high side, for sure! We have lots of places here that do it, but I'm afraid to go to someplace that I don't know, KWIM? At least this should last quite some time - 6 months to a year - last time it lasted almost a year. Also - I paid for 6 treatments for lazer hair removal and I'm still going more than double that (stubborn hair - stubborn tech who wants to eradicate every last hair! LOL) for no added cost. So I guess I can justify the overpriced juvi - huh? I'm gonna' be looking more closely at the competitor's ads, now - that's for sure. Again - thank you!

Jack - just a couple of things here hon.

First, your PS is being "comp" by Allergan with FREE Botox, Juvederm, etc.
This is what the reps do......this is why all the nurses in the office, etc. are always getting product. They are getting this for free.

You need to start asking your PS about better deals sweetie......I think she would give them to you if you would ask. No one wants to pay over market price. I understand your reluctance about not going to other dr.'s but just so you know.......I do NOT stay with one dr. on fillers.
I usually get a very good deal on Botox from my Occular PS.

I asked him the other day about Juvederm......and he told me $550. I told him right there, I would like to give him the business, but I know where I can get this more competitively.

Do not be afraid to be assertive with this. There is a huge mark up in botox and fillers. Also, tell her you are a member of Allergan's rebate programs........and tell her you know that there are special deals going on right now with Juvederm.

Also, just so you know......next time, the BEST type of Juvederm you can get is Juvederm ULTRA PLUS! It is 20% thicker than the sister product of Juvederm Ultra. Hence, it will last longer. So always ask for Juvederm Ultra Plus. Since she made you pay so much for Juvederm Ultra - I would be leary of the price she would come back with Juvederm Ultra Plus (because it does cost more traditionally). But as I said, right now in California (which is higher than your state in PS) - I can get Juvederm Ultra Plus for $399.

All you have to do is to call around and get price quotes from other dr.'s . Be armed with your information when you go in to see her, and tell her you know how cheap some of these fillers or botox is going for right now.

I do hope this helps you some hon........truly, I am only trying to help you

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Flash

Oh believe me, I know! I was a little shocked when the cashier told me $650. The 12 and a half of Botox was $200, also too high. When it didn't work, at least she did it again for free. (still didn't work). I knew I'd have to pay for the juvederm - but didn't know how much and expected a reduced price because the botox didn't work the second time, either. I know that's not really her fault, but, like you said - I do a lot of business with her and have sent a few new patients, as well. I'm not even telling hubby that the price is way too high.
The closest person to me is Colleen - and she is an hour away - and in a rural area. There are PLENTY of places here - and I'm going to call around next time and bring their prices to my PS. I love her - but I'm a bit shocked by the price. I so appreciate the information from you and Bailey - it gives me pause.

Absolutely you should let her know cuz you really have spent a fortune with her and she should give you reduced...and that you bring her other patients.... I know for a fact my Boobie ps GOD I MISS her!!!!!!!!! would give me breaks if she was here.. now the lip ps here ...hes a diff story cuz i have even said to him he should and he doesnt ()*&*%..... and because he doesnt i am going to look for someone else that injects here.. tho there isnt alot that do & it might be something i have to drive to Springs for... 45 minutes away Uggg... ( im lazy i hate driving 15 minutes away haha ) this happens in small towns lol But i figure he couldnt give me breaks and i did also tell alot of people to go to him.. well to me he doesnt need my $$ and he is so cute!!! LOL

[Bailey]

Let me clarify something - when I say the PS is being comped free samples - they are considered "samples" - but are infact full stock syringes.

Last year when my derm screwed up my face with Radiesse - I went back to him and told him to fill the rest in with Juvederm Ultra Plus. He truly thought I was going to get Radiesse manufacturer reimburse him for his Juvederm (because I did get the Radiesse for free from the rep)

That was his business to get reimbursed......all I wanted him to do was to fix my face. So, I had to bring in the "bulldog" (hubby) - so I would get my way. He gave me 3 syringes of Juvederm Ultra Plus to help conceal the granulomas from the Radiesse he had caused.

I knew how much he was charging for the Juvederm, and there was no way I was paying. Needless to say, I didn't pay........but they do not understand that I know what the reps do with the spectrum of their job duties (as I was one once too).

There are always incentives given by the reps to all the PS, derms, etc. that are injecting Juvederm, Botox, etc.

You can always ask if they have any free samples left

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Bailey

Let me clarify something - when I say the PS is being comped free samples - they are considered "samples" - but are infact full stock syringes.

Last year when my derm screwed up my face with Radiesse - I went back to him and told him to fill the rest in with Juvederm Ultra Plus. He truly thought I was going to get Radiesse manufacturer reimburse him for his Juvederm (because I did get the Radiesse for free from the rep)

That was his business to get reimbursed......all I wanted him to do was to fix my face. So, I had to bring in the "bulldog" (hubby) - so I would get my way. He gave me 3 syringes of Juvederm Ultra Plus to help conceal the granulomas from the Radiesse he had caused.

I knew how much he was charging for the Juvederm, and there was no way I was paying. Needless to say, I didn't pay........but they do not understand that I know what the reps do with the spectrum of their job duties (as I was one once too).

There are always incentives given by the reps to all the PS, derms, etc. that are injecting Juvederm, Botox, etc.

You can always ask if they have any free samples left

I can't thank you girls enough. When I heard the price I was shocked but remained calm. When I got home I started thinking about it, that's when I decided to ask you guys. She has given me lots of free services - botox another time - an extra Fraxel treatment, LOTS of extra hair removal treatments, no surgeon's ($3500) fee for my neck lift, got my husband an immediate appointment with a doc that couldn't squeeze him in until May, etc etc. I'm going for lazer hair removal on Monday - and am scheduled for slim lipo on April 20. She has said she won't charge her usual fee for that, but will have to charge for the materials or whatever? I think I better ask what I can expect for costs for that, right? I'm leary about questioning her charge for the juvi because of not wanting hard feelings before my slim lipo - KWIM? Is this the tactic you would take? And just be prepared next time and get prices before (having done homework on other local injectors). Oh man - I am not a happy camper to be in this position! Again - can't tell you how much I appreciate your input!!

[Vikki~]

Originally Posted by Flash

I can't thank you girls enough. When I heard the price I was shocked but remained calm. When I got home I started thinking about it, that's when I decided to ask you guys. She has given me lots of free services - botox another time - an extra Fraxel treatment, LOTS of extra hair removal treatments, no surgeon's ($3500) fee for my neck lift, got my husband an immediate appointment with a doc that couldn't squeeze him in until May, etc etc. I'm going for lazer hair removal on Monday - and am scheduled for slim lipo on April 20. She has said she won't charge her usual fee for that, but will have to charge for the materials or whatever? I think I better ask what I can expect for costs for that, right? I'm leary about questioning her charge for the juvi because of not wanting hard feelings before my slim lipo - KWIM? Is this the tactic you would take? And just be prepared next time and get prices before (having done homework on other local injectors). Oh man - I am not a happy camper to be in this position! Again - can't tell you how much I appreciate your input!!

Jack I know where your coming from .. and yes shes given you a few things... I would for sure get a price quote.... and not the (not my usual fee. )
To me and god knows i could be wrong here But my feelings on the slim lipo with how much the FL was and what has happened... she should do that at cost only .... Add up all the $$ you have spent with her instead of how much shes given you ... lazer treatments... how much did the electricity cost to do that and dont get me wrong... that was nice she did do that but................how much did you spend to begin with and for how many treatments...

[Bailey]

Originally Posted by Flash

I can't thank you girls enough. When I heard the price I was shocked but remained calm. When I got home I started thinking about it, that's when I decided to ask you guys. She has given me lots of free services - botox another time - an extra Fraxel treatment, LOTS of extra hair removal treatments, no surgeon's ($3500) fee for my neck lift, got my husband an immediate appointment with a doc that couldn't squeeze him in until May, etc etc. I'm going for lazer hair removal on Monday - and am scheduled for slim lipo on April 20. She has said she won't charge her usual fee for that, but will have to charge for the materials or whatever? I think I better ask what I can expect for costs for that, right? I'm leary about questioning her charge for the juvi because of not wanting hard feelings before my slim lipo - KWIM? Is this the tactic you would take? And just be prepared next time and get prices before (having done homework on other local injectors). Oh man - I am not a happy camper to be in this position! Again - can't tell you how much I appreciate your input!!

Hon, let me share with you what I found out about SlimLipo.
A couple of things I do think you need to clarify with her.

Price - SlimLipo is the most expensive lipo procedure there is. I would like to know what "supplies" she is referring to. The reason why Slim Lipo is so expensive is because it takes longer than any other type of lipo procedure. The reason why it takes longer is because of the "burning or the melting" of the fat.

Also the equipment is expensive making the procedure more expensive than other forms of liposuction.

Did your PS buy this machine or is she renting or leasing it?
You should be able to find this out Jackie......if she has bought it, she could possibly cut you a better deal.


Jack - I always get price on every single procedure. And I am not ashamed to tell the PS if it is too high. And if it is too high, then they can negotiate with you a better price. Find out what the costs are before you go in. Do not do this without knowing first.

What I would do is this - I would call around, find out if there are other PS in the area offering Slim Lipo, and if they will give you a ballpark price for lipo on the neck region. Most will tell you what they will charge.

Remember sweetie, we are in a recession.......everyone is counting their pennies, so in essence you have every single right to ask what a procedure is going to run you.

I hope this helps you some. Definitely find out....do not do anything more without finding out what the charges are.
If she wants your business, she will give you a better price.
I think the thing to remember is - this is a business, just like any other business. Find out what the best deal is hon. And then go into her with that number and see if she will match it.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Vikki~

Jack I know where your coming from .. and yes shes given you a few things... I would for sure get a price quote.... and not the (not my usual fee. )
To me and god knows i could be wrong here But my feelings on the slim lipo with how much the FL was and what has happened... she should do that at cost only .... Add up all the $$ you have spent with her instead of how much shes given you ... lazer treatments... how much did the electricity cost to do that and dont get me wrong... that was nice she did do that but................how much did you spend to begin with and for how many treatmynts...

I absolutely agree. She did say she would do the slim-lipo at cost. She does it in her office, actually, so it will be interesting to see what she charges. I will ask for an exact amount on Monday. I just told my hubby what I was so upset about, and he has been very supportive (with a few "I told ya' so's. LOL). So - we'll see. Thanks, Sweety!

[Flash]

[QUOTE=Bailey;217871]Hon, let me share with you what I found out about SlimLipo.
A couple of things I do think you need to clarify with her.

Price - SlimLipo is the most expensive lipo procedure there is. I would like to know what "supplies" she is referring to. The reason why Slim Lipo is so expensive is because it takes longer than any other type of lipo procedure. The reason why it takes longer is because of the "burning or the melting" of the fat.

Also the equipment is expensive making the procedure more expensive than other forms of liposuction.

Did your PS buy this machine or is she renting or leasing it?
You should be able to find this out Jackie......if she has bought it, she could possibly cut you a better deal.


Jack - I always get price on every single procedure. And I am not ashamed to tell the PS if it is too high. And if it is too high, then they can negotiate with you a better price. Find out what the costs are before you go in. Do not do this without knowing first.

What I would do is this - I would call around, find out if there are other PS in the area offering Slim Lipo, and if they will give you a ballpark price for lipo on the neck region. Most will tell you what they will charge.

Remember sweetie, we are in a recession.......everyone is counting their pennies, so in essence you have every single right to ask what a procedure is going to run you.

I hope this helps you some. Definitely find out....do not do anything more without finding out what the charges are.
If she wants your business, she will give you a better price.
I think the thing to remember is - this is a business, just like any other business. Find out what the best deal is hon. And then go into her with that number and see if she will match it.

Bailey - it absolutely helps! And it is so appreciated.
I already know about the slim lipo machine (Palomar). I was one of the ones she asked if I thought she should buy it! LOL And I know what she paid for it, too! LOL They originally got the machine to do the lipossage - which I also had done. They gave me a "break" on the price and I was the first one to buy the package. It was expensive - even with the discount. (can't even remember what I paid). And it wasn't clear that the treatments for for just one body area - not the 3 presented in the brochure. The tech did do two areas for me at "no extra charge". Now, once you buy the machine - you can buy different "heads" one of which is the lazer fraxel thing, and the IPL. (Again - I was first with this and they gave me a "free" treatment after I offered to be a guinni pig). Not sure if the hair removal machine is that, too, or a different machine - I forget 'cause I know she had a machine for the hair removal before buying the Palomar.
As far as charging me for supplies, my hubby just told me I misheard. What she said was she had to charge for office time! Now THAT makes me truely upset - cause why is that different from her fee - which she said she is waiving? She doesn't have a surgical suite. - just a plain office where she does the slim lipo. If I hadn't shown her my 4 week pictures - she would be second guessing herself.
My hubby feels she did a bad job on my neck and face lift- but I told him that looking at the 4 week pictures where it looked terrific tells me it really is my skin - my body, and just one of the risks we take with surgery. Am I wrong? Is this her "fault"?
I'm just very dissappointed. I've got my beautiful new eyes wide open now, thanks to you guys.

[Anne]

Jackie, if it were me I would get a firm price for the SlimLipo and find out exactly what is included in the price.

And IMHO she should not be charging you for 'office time' esp. since she does not have a surgical suite in her office! And how much does "office time" cost???? I would ask her that too.

[Bailey]

[quote=Flash;217909]

Originally Posted by Bailey

Bailey - it absolutely helps! And it is so appreciated.
I already know about the slim lipo machine (Palomar). I was one of the ones she asked if I thought she should buy it! LOL And I know what she paid for it, too! LOL They originally got the machine to do the lipossage - which I also had done. They gave me a "break" on the price and I was the first one to buy the package. It was expensive - even with the discount. (can't even remember what I paid). And it wasn't clear that the treatments for for just one body area - not the 3 presented in the brochure. The tech did do two areas for me at "no extra charge". Now, once you buy the machine - you can buy different "heads" one of which is the lazer fraxel thing, and the IPL. (Again - I was first with this and they gave me a "free" treatment after I offered to be a guinni pig). Not sure if the hair removal machine is that, too, or a different machine - I forget 'cause I know she had a machine for the hair removal before buying the Palomar.
As far as charging me for supplies, my hubby just told me I misheard. What she said was she had to charge for office time! Now THAT makes me truely upset - cause why is that different from her fee - which she said she is waiving? She doesn't have a surgical suite. - just a plain office where she does the slim lipo. If I hadn't shown her my 4 week pictures - she would be second guessing herself.
My hubby feels she did a bad job on my neck and face lift- but I told him that looking at the 4 week pictures where it looked terrific tells me it really is my skin - my body, and just one of the risks we take with surgery. Am I wrong? Is this her "fault"?
I'm just very dissappointed. I've got my beautiful new eyes wide open now, thanks to you guys.

Hey sweetie.......the thing I question is why does every procedure you have done - has to be done twice. I know you were earlier taking responsibility for your skin and tissue type and having other extinuating circumstances....however; there is a point where you have to wonder why this is occuring with every procedure almost.

The question I have for you is - I know she is a good friend of yours. And this is where it gets "tricky". Were you friends with her before she was your PS or have you become a special patient of her office because you have had so many procedures done there?

It is hard to be objective when we incorporate friendship into some of these dr - patient relationships.

Office time would concern me Jackie.....only because you have had a huge problem with this facelift and necklift. And in my opinion, I feel she should be absorbing all the costs here to make it right. You have paid big money to her for many procedures......and in essense found out that maybe along the way, you are not getting the best "deal" monatarily.

I do not think it is your skin or body hon.......maybe just maybe the procedures that she has picked for you were not the best methods to use on your particular skin and body type. (talking about your facelift and necklift).

One thing in all of my years of dealing with PS is that some PS cannot be good in all procedures. Some PS are better at facial features, some are better with body procedures. That is why more and more surgeons have gone on to specialize in one particular area.

It would be foolish of me to state that this is anyone's fault......but it is a fact that has happened, and something should be done to rectify it - if nothing else, to keep you a happy returning patient.

I would call her office and find out what she is expecting to charge you for this SlimLipo.......and find out how long it is going to take as well as pain, etc.

You need to know how to deal with all of this hon, and the only way is to pin her down and find out the costs.


What Anne brought up too is important - the fact she does not even have a surgery suite would be of concern to me. Liposuction in my opinion can be harder on some patients.....and if this was me, I would need to know that the surgery suite is accredited, etc. If nothing else......for peace of mind. But, this is merely my opinion.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by Anne

Jackie, if it were me I would get a firm price for the SlimLipo and find out exactly what is included in the price.

And IMHO she should not be charging you for 'office time' esp. since she does not have a surgical suite in her office! And how much does "office time" cost???? I would ask her that too.

Thanks, Anne. I totally agree!

[Flash]

[quote=Bailey;217914]

Originally Posted by Flash

Hey sweetie.......the thing I question is why does every procedure you have done - has to be done twice. I know you were earlier taking responsibility for your skin and tissue type and having other extinuating circumstances....however; there is a point where you have to wonder why this is occuring with every procedure almost.
That's why I am so conflicted. The first time with the TT was in conjunction with my hysterectomy. My bowel stopped and blew up my tummy and blew all of the stitches of the MR and the hernia repairs, too. There were 3 different surgeons involved in that - and each feels the other's procedure caused the problem! That really is funny! LOL
My tooth implant was done and it fell out of my gum as the dentist tried to do the cap - the surgeon had NEVER had that happen to any patient before. He redid it completely free of charge including putting me to sleep.
My cochlear implant was done "by the book", yet it didn't work. I spoke to someone in NY last week and he said that had only happened to 5 people in the entire country. He knew my case history the minute we started talking - he said anyone involved in CI's knew it! LOL
When I was a kid and had all kinds of trouble with my period - everything done to me had to be counteracted.
Why was my daughter born with so many things wrong that life couldn't be sustained? there was no indication of trouble, no family history at all, no reason for it. And yet - it happened.
It's not funny - but at this point - it is! LOL I'm not blaming myself - but that is why it is so difficult to know if it's just my crazy body reactions - or the dr involved. That's why I'm slow to blame - KWIM?
The 4 week pictures of my lifts - I was so happy. How could it be perfect then - and a month later have the skin sag? How do you assess blame? I honestly don't know.
you is - I know she is a good friend of yours. And this is where it gets "tricky". Were you friends with her before she was your PS or have you become a special patient of her office because you have had so many procedures done there?
Exactly - we were not friends before. I met her when I was referred to her for my TT when I was told I needed an emergency hysterectomy - and I wasn't doing it without a TT - you know that story. The friendship just developed as I had more procedures done (BR - then BR again - Repair of TT/MR/hernias) hair removal - fillers - lypossage, etc etc etc!)
It is hard to be objective when we incorporate friendship into some of these dr - patient relationships.
Absolutely right!

Office time would concern me Jackie.....only because you have had a huge problem with this facelift and necklift. And in my opinion, I feel she should be absorbing all the costs here to make it right. You have paid big money to her for many procedures......and in essense found out that maybe along the way, you are not getting the best "deal" monatarily.
I totally agree. when hubby told me today i'd misunderstood and she talked about office time - I got upset all over again.
I do not think it is your skin or body hon.......maybe just maybe the procedures that she has picked for you were not the best methods to use on your particular skin and body type. (talking about your facelift and necklift).
She originally thought the slim lipo for the face - I asked for the surgery along with the neck - she only decided on the table to go ahead with that.

One thing in all of my years of dealing with PS is that some PS cannot be good in all procedures. Some PS are better at facial features, some are better with body procedures. That is why more and more surgeons have gone on to specialize in one particular area.

It would be foolish of me to state that this is anyone's fault......but it is a fact that has happened, and something should be done to rectify it - if nothing else, to keep you a happy returning patient.

I would call her office and find out what she is expecting to charge you for this SlimLipo.......and find out how long it is going to take as well as pain, etc.
I will definately get a price on Monday when I am there for my lazer hair removal.
You need to know how to deal with all of this hon, and the only way is to pin her down and find out the costs.

Now for the TRUE SHOCKER!
I just called the 4 most popular plastic surgeons/skin care centers (including my own dermatology office) and got prices for 1 syringe of juvederm ultra. $650, $650, $700, and $968!!!!!
Apparently, Allentown, PS thinks they are the silicon valley. At least I don't feel so bad about THAT now! LOL I guess if I want juvi cheaper I better travel to NYC! LOL
Again - can't say it enough - you guys have so helped me today and always. I've been long winded and a total drag - and you've lifted me up and given me a path to follow - and I will!
Love you!